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Certainly most near death literature supports that...

2011-12-17T21:10:01.810-07:00

Certainly most near death literature supports that those that have been even part way into heaven are reluctant to return to earth life, and many struggle with depression upon their return to this sphere.

@BHoges I got here from http://en.wikiquote.org/wi...

2011-11-26T00:56:30.952-07:00

@BHoges I got here from http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations looking for another quote.

Cool, thanks for leaving a comment. I see people l...

2011-08-15T00:08:51.451-06:00

Cool, thanks for leaving a comment. I see people locating this post through Google, and I'm always curious what prompted their search.

This was very well written. In Sunday school today...

2011-08-14T22:02:04.645-06:00

This was very well written. In Sunday school today one of my 13 year olds brought up this "quote" as though it were truth. I had been taught many years ago that it was apocryphal. So I googled on it today and found this well-researched post. Thanks!

Hannah, for one thing, you won't have to liste...

2011-02-18T15:20:42.415-07:00

Hannah, for one thing, you won't have to listen to mainstream pop radio in the Telestial kingdom, which makes it invariably better than our present condition anyway.

How can the Telestial Kingdom be any good if God t...

2011-02-18T15:09:57.356-07:00

How can the Telestial Kingdom be any good if God the Father and Jesus are not there?
The Bible says that heaven will not even need a sun because God himself will give light.

I am already IN the Telestial Kingdom. I learned...

2010-12-10T21:25:50.917-07:00

I am already *IN* the Telestial Kingdom. I learned that in God's house.

Seriously, I think this is an idea that has profound implications.

I found this blog while researching where I had re...

2010-06-22T15:00:41.214-06:00

I found this blog while researching where I had read this "quote" of Joseph Smith. I remembered this "quote" while reading about the new "Avatar depression syndrome". Apparently there are a number of people who are depressed and having suicidal thoughts because they no longer want to deal with this horrible Earth life after seeing the glorious and harmonious life on Pandora.
(This article summarizes some of the comments:
http://theweek.com/article/index/105003/avatar-depression-syndrome

All views are welcome when shared respectfully. Us...

2010-04-13T21:31:59.031-06:00

All views are welcome when shared respectfully. Use a name or consistent pseudonym rather than "anonymous." Deletions of inflammatory posts will be noted, as in this instance. Please try to follow the guidelines next time.

2010-04-13T19:02:24.281-06:00

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Thanks, Old Wolf.

2009-09-30T08:05:09.520-06:00

Thanks, Old Wolf.

Coming late to the party after looking for verific...

2009-09-29T23:31:52.520-06:00

Coming late to the party after looking for verification of this quote, I acknowledge the diligence with which you have turned over every available stone to get at the truth thereof.

I suspect the general sentiment might be true on some level, but only for those who were unaware that there were something surpassing better to be obtained.

Thank you for your scholarship.

Come on, the Telestial kingdom can't be THAT b...

2009-06-07T19:23:34.485-06:00

Come on, the Telestial kingdom can't be THAT bad! ;)

I guess my answer to you would depend on the circumstances one is living in at the time. Further, suicide itself is a very sensitive issue, and some may assume that the quote indicates that suicide will result in a Telestial resurrection. I think that alone should discourage use of the quote or sentiment.

I think that the debate about whether Joseph Smith...

2009-06-07T17:22:59.890-06:00

I think that the debate about whether Joseph Smith Jr. really said this quotation is a reasonable question. However, the quote itself is very, very true: if we could see the telestial kingdom in all its glory "which surpasseth understanding" we would be tempted to commit suicide.

Glad you liked it.

2009-02-15T16:50:00.000-07:00

Glad you liked it.

When all is said and done, this is fine work and s...

2009-02-15T09:16:00.000-07:00

When all is said and done, this is fine work and should be praised!

STEUSS!

If I recall correctly, you were al...

2008-12-19T14:12:00.000-07:00

STEUSS!

If I recall correctly, you were also apprised of this quote etc. when I was initially investigating it. Do you recall what thread on the board this was discussed in?

I think Iceberg Slim means

"well done Rabbi...

2008-12-19T13:50:00.000-07:00

I think Iceberg Slim means

"well done Rabbi Shlomo"

Shalom,

Sione

Well done B-funk.

2008-12-19T13:14:00.000-07:00

Well done B-funk.

I don't believe the Telestial Kingdom is a bad pla...

2008-12-18T13:53:00.000-07:00

I don't believe the Telestial Kingdom is a bad place. As section 76 says, "And thus we saw, in the heavenly vision, the glory of the telestial, which surpasses all understanding;
And no man knows it except him to whom God has revealed it." In other words, it appears to be pretty nice.

I personally disagree with citing the quote without mentioning its historically questionable origin.

Great insights. I would still like to believe, ho...

2008-12-18T12:53:00.000-07:00

Great insights. I would still like to believe, however, that the Lord has something "beyond our understanding" in store for his children in the Telestial Kingdom. I cannot think a merciful and loving God would doom a portion of his children to Lagoon, when Disneyland may be an option.

On a separate note, I just finished Millet's, "What Happened to the Cross?" (highly recommended). Bro. Millet speaks of the quotation briefly there also, but I think he may have just recycled his arguments from "The Origin and Destiny of Man."

Updated with one more reference to the suicide thi...

2008-12-18T09:02:00.000-07:00

Updated with one more reference to the suicide thing. Thanks to J. Stapley and Steven Harper.

This was always on my plate to identify or put to ...

2008-12-18T00:43:00.000-07:00

This was always on my plate to identify or put to rest. I'm glad I don't have to do the leg work now.

Several years back I debunked the Joseph Smith statement "I'll follow Emma to Hell...". I didn't write a damn thing down and now I can't remember.

Could you re-do my work on that please?

Big UP!

Sione

To say nothing of those who commit suicide and don...

2008-12-17T20:26:00.000-07:00

To say nothing of those who commit suicide and don't end up in the Telestial kingdom, of course.

You can't get to the telestial kingdom by comm...

2008-12-17T20:15:00.000-07:00

You can't get to the telestial kingdom by committing suicide - you have to go the spirit world first, and repent and "be redeemed through obedience to the ordinances of the house of God."

And "after they have paid the penalty of their transgressions, and are washed clean, [they] shall receive a reward according to their works, for they are heirs of salvation." (D&C 138:58-59)

Comments on Life On Gold Plates: Committing Suicide to Get to the Telestial Kingdom...

Certainly most near death literature supports that...

@BHoges I got here from http://en.wikiquote.org/wi...

Cool, thanks for leaving a comment. I see people l...

This was very well written. In Sunday school today...

Hannah, for one thing, you won't have to liste...

How can the Telestial Kingdom be any good if God t...

I am already *IN* the Telestial Kingdom. I learned...

I found this blog while researching where I had re...

All views are welcome when shared respectfully. Us...

Thanks, Old Wolf.

Coming late to the party after looking for verific...

Come on, the Telestial kingdom can't be THAT b...

I think that the debate about whether Joseph Smith...

Glad you liked it.

When all is said and done, this is fine work and s...

STEUSS! If I recall correctly, you were al...

I think Iceberg Slim means"well done Rabbi...

Well done B-funk.

I don't believe the Telestial Kingdom is a bad pla...

Great insights. I would still like to believe, ho...

Updated with one more reference to the suicide thi...

This was always on my plate to identify or put to ...

To say nothing of those who commit suicide and don...

You can't get to the telestial kingdom by comm...

I am already IN the Telestial Kingdom. I learned...

STEUSS!

If I recall correctly, you were al...

I think Iceberg Slim means

"well done Rabbi...